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Ecclesia Dei meeting tomorrow to discuss liberalization

Benedict XVI shortens the timing for a reconciliation with the followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

The "Ecclesia Dei" Commission, established for this purpose by John Paul II, will meet tomorrow in a first plenary session to discuss the question of the liberalization of the Mass in Latin.

The meeting of December 12 is reported by the French news agency I.Media and will include the presence of Cardinal Ricard, a member of the Commission and president of the French Episcopal Conference.


  1. New Catholic, since the article is short, would it be possible to provide us a complete translation? Thanks!

    Also, unless this is a meeting for a final presentation of what the Holy Father's prepared, my assumption is the wheels can't turn fast enough to get me my present by Christmas.


  2. The rest of the article includes mere excerpts of the declarations of the French Episcopal Conference's last Plenary Assembly on the matter, which we covered extensively here.

  3. Let's pray for the Holy Spirit to soften the souls of all those involved in this scandal between the SSPX and the Holy See. May Divine Justice shine for all the world to see, that indeed the Catholic Church is Jesus Christ's church and that the Church serves charity. AMDG.

  4. Well Jon, this meeting comes as a bit of a surprise, so who knows what Christmas will bring!

  5. Well, if it is a plenary meeting, of course Card. Ricard must be summoned to it. I see nothing wrong with that. And I pray that any opposition from his part be ignored and rejected.

    Btw, who are the other members of the body?

  6. After such extensive consultations, will the document still be termed a Motu proprio? Wouldn´t it be the case for an Apostolic Letter (not motu proprio datae), or an Apostolic Constitution?

    Let us pray that God Most High may guide the Sweet Christ on Earth towards a full and unconditioned liberalization of the Gregorian Liturgy, as codified by Pope St. Pius V by request of the Council of Trent, and amended by his predecessors up to and including blessed John XXIII.

  7. "Well, if it is a plenary meeting, of course Card. Ricard must be summoned to it."

    Yes, by definition. Yet, we believed it was appropriate to underline the presence of Cardinal Ricard, because the news dispatch itself did so.

  8. What is the difference between a "plenary meeting" and a "meeting"?

  9. Is there any validity to this comment from another forum?

    By definition a plenary session is an official meeting with all members; Cardinal Ricard is a member.

    Whatever one thinks, this is some kind of 'big deal' since it is the first ever such meeting, the Commission having been in existance since 1988."

  10. Michael,

    I´ll attempt to answer your question.

    The simple answer is that a plenary meeting is a kind of meeting to which all members of the body are summoned.

    The Dicasteries of the Roman Curia often meet with only the members who are required to be resident in Rome present, or sometimes decisions are made only by the superior officers of the Dicastery. From time to time, or when there is a major issue to be discussed, a plenary meeting is summoned, and therefore the members of the dicastery from all over the world are required to attend.

    In the second half of the 20th century radical reforms effected a descentralization of the Roman Curia, whereby it began to include more and more members that are not based at the Apostolic See.

    Those members who are at the service of the dicastery on a fulltime/excusive basis nevertheless take part in surveys and consultations conducted by the dicasteries to which they were appointed, they receive reports and other documents from the dicastery, and they have tasks assigned to them, and they take part in plenary meetings


  12. What does "shorten the timeline"for reconciling the SSPX mean? An Apostolic Constitution would be great.The promulgation of it could be done in St.Peters with great ceremony with the Holy Father presiding and delivering a sermon on it.Then everyone would listen.Yeah?An Apostolic Constitution was promulgated exactly this way-it was Veterum Sapientia.Where is it now?Hopefully this fate will not meet Benedict's decree as it did to John XXIII's.

  13. Whatever the formula, if it favours true justice for the traditional Latin liturgy and eventually the doctrine that accompanies it, then it had better allow for an episcopal by-pass and it will need to be very public and as widely broadcast as possible, so that there are no doubts, no fudges and no possible progressivist equivocations.

  14. Perhaps the reason why Cardinal Castrillon has been left solely in charge of the Commission is that its role is about to become much more active.


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